Equidem etiam Epicurum, in physicis quidem, Democriteum puto. Quamquam id quidem, infinitum est in hac urbe; Sed eum qui audiebant, quoad poterant, defendebant sententiam suam. Non enim solum Torquatus dixit quid sentiret, sed etiam cur. Totum autem id externum est, et quod externum, id in casu est. Facile est hoc cernere in primis puerorum aetatulis.

Quae in controversiam veniunt, de iis, si placet, disseramus. Unum est sine dolore esse, alterum cum voluptate. Sed ad haec, nisi molestum est, habeo quae velim. Tecum optime, deinde etiam cum mediocri amico. Tu autem, si tibi illa probabantur, cur non propriis verbis ea tenebas? Sed quia studebat laudi et dignitati, multum in virtute processerat. An me, inquam, nisi te audire vellem, censes haec dicturum fuisse? Ut necesse sit omnium rerum, quae natura vigeant, similem esse finem, non eundem.

Dempta enim aeternitate nihilo beatior Iuppiter quam Epicurus; Vitiosum est enim in dividendo partem in genere numerare. Progredientibus autem aetatibus sensim tardeve potius quasi nosmet ipsos cognoscimus. Longum est enim ad omnia respondere, quae a te dicta sunt. Nam prius a se poterit quisque discedere quam appetitum earum rerum, quae sibi conducant, amittere.

Est enim tanti philosophi tamque nobilis audacter sua decreta defendere. Cum id fugiunt, re eadem defendunt, quae Peripatetici, verba. At vero illa, quae Peripatetici, quae Stoici dicunt, semper tibi in ore sunt in iudiciis, in senatu. Vestri haec verecundius, illi fortasse constantius.

Aliter enim nosmet ipsos nosse non possumus. Perturbationes autem nulla naturae vi commoventur, omniaque ea sunt opiniones ac iudicia levitatis. Atque his de rebus et splendida est eorum et illustris oratio. In eo enim positum est id, quod dicimus esse expetendum.

Nec vero alia sunt quaerenda contra Carneadeam illam sententiam. Id Sextilius factum negabat. Illa argumenta propria videamus, cur omnia sint paria peccata. Habes, inquam, Cato, formam

eorum, de quibus loquor, philosophorum. Cur deinde Metrodori liberos commendas? Dicet pro me ipsa virtus nec dubitabit isti vestro beato M. Quas enim kakaw Graeci appellant, vitia malo quam malitias nominare. Eam tum adesse, cum dolor omnis absit;

Verum hoc loco sumo verbis his eandem certe vim voluptatis Epicurum nosse quam ceteros. An vero, inquit, quisquam potest probare, quod perceptfum, quod. Nam et complectitur verbis, quod vult, et dicit plane, quod intellegam; Mihi enim satis est, ipsis non satis.

Expressa vero in iis aetatibus, quae iam confirmatae sunt. Illa argumenta propria videamus, cur omnia sint paria peccata. Eam tum adesse, cum dolor omnis absit; Septem autem illi non suo, sed populorum suffragio omnium nominati sunt. Nec vero pietas adversus deos nec quanta iis gratia debeatur sine explicatione naturae intellegi potest. Sin autem ad animum, falsum est, quod negas animi ullum esse gaudium, quod non referatur ad corpus. Quarum ambarum rerum cum medicinam pollicetur, luxuriae licentiam pollicetur. Quid igitur dubitamus in tota eius natura quaerere quid sit effectum? Reguli reiciendam;

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Sed utrum hortandus es nobis, Luci, inquit, an etiam tua sponte propensus es? Quare hoc videndum est, possitne nobis hoc ratio philosophorum dare. Suo genere perveniant ad extremum; At iam decimum annum in spelunca iacet. Quod mihi quidem visus est, cum sciret, velle tamen confitentem audire Torquatum. Primum in nostrane potestate est, quid meminerimus? Duo Reges: constructio interrete. A primo, ut opinor, animantium ortu petitur origo summi boni. An eum locum libenter invisit, ubi Demosthenes et Aeschines inter se decertare soliti sunt? Quia nec honesto quic quam honestius nec turpi turpius. Illum mallem levares, quo optimum atque humanissimum virum, Cn. Traditur, inquit, ab Epicuro ratio neglegendi doloris.

Idem iste, inquam, de voluptate quid sentit? Itaque eos id agere, ut a se

dolores, morbos, debilitates repellant. Scio enim esse quosdam, qui quavis lingua philosophari possint; Et certamen honestum et disputatio splendida! omnis est enim de virtutis dignitate contentio.

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